In closing, I’ll only briefly comment on Kleopatra’s skin color by referring those interested to the Fayum mummy portraits which provide a range of possibilities. There is no room for anything else, certainly not for any black African blood. It’s funny how a biographical depiction of a (black) historical figure does not matter…but can you imagine the uproar if the current Queen of England was depicted as black in modern Hollywood…just because Viola Davis is an Oscar-worthy performer? Color whatever you want in the lines and be proud of it, but I wouldn’t be. And them she won’t be the last black woman to rule. "[70], Grant states that Cleopatra probably had not a drop of Egyptian blood and that she "would have described herself as Greek. Yet among her many accomplishments, and arguably the one for which she is most commonly known, was her great beauty and, relevant to Mr. Roller’s perspective, her ability to use that beauty as a tool to manipulate powerful figures like Julius Caesar. Identity thieves indeed. As a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, she was a descendant of its founder Ptolemy I Soter, a Macedonian Greek general and companion of Alexander the Great. www.tyndalehouse.com. EGYPT IS IN AFRICA! If she was black, she should be represented as black. Greeks themselves were/are olive tonned and NOT white. This is based on the fact that her Macedonian Greek family – the Ptolemaic dynasty – had intermarried with the Seleucid dynasty that ruled over much of West Asia. Well, well..What a fierce discussion. Duane W. Roller. Sources suggest that if she was not Macedonian, she was probably Egyptian. We do know however that she was of Macedonian ancestry and that intermarriage was practiced throughout the reign of the Ptolemies. Macedonians didn't apropriate themselves of the term macedonian more than the Hellas republic apropriated themselves of the term greek. P W Botha former Prime Minister of South Africa was also born in Africa and was therefore an African. Will Smith played I am Legend who in the book is white. Lefkowitz refutes Rogers' hypothesis, on various scholar… If you knew history like you claimed ,you would know almost every race was enslaved, @ some point. i wonder if you understand that at Egyptians were from Nubia , i have Nubian blood and i descend from Ramses 3rd. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501728.html. Except Egyptians aren’t black anyway! Next time you show information like this,make sure it’s 100% sure,nobody wants to hear lies. While I do not know the exact racial profile of Cleopatra (no one does), to know how the Egyptians thought about their skin color, just look at their paintings. Smh so in order for her to black her father had to have slept with a slave? Playing asians, natives, blacks, etc. Queen Cleopatra VII of Egypt experiences both triumph and tragedy as she attempts to resist the imperial ambitions of Rome. Cleopatra was most likely of mixed ethnicity and according to America one drop rule can be therefore considered black in their eyes. Egypt is North-African, Egypt is Amazigh and still today. We can venture further to exclude her gender from our evaluations and choose to view only a human ruler who successfully led Egypt, overcame adversity and left a lasting impact on our modern world. She was Albanian .they’re was no such thing as Greece or Macedonian back then. She is the kind of role model young children who are ashamed of their race and/or sex need to have. It’s even worse than it sounds. It is very illogical to think that after 250 years on the African continent the Ptolemies weren’t heavily influenced by Egyptian culture. You sound like a typical cacausoid trying to explain away the obvious. Let’s consider that an actor is black, Asian, or otherwise anything that is obviously not olive skinned or white. Wishful thinking I guess…. Cleopatra VII, the last queen of Egypt and a woman of great ability, is often a victim of racial profiling, as today people can be more interested in her racial background than her many accomplishments. The most promoted in AFRICA is the jungle with primitive buffons running around. Cleopatra VII Philopator (Koinē Greek: Κλεοπάτρα Φιλοπάτωρ; 69 – 10 or 12 August 30 BC) was the last active ruler of the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt. You see the problem is the further you go back in history the blacker it is, and the white man hates that. Cleopatras father was ilyrian Albania so called today Macedonia is Albania Greece has nothing to do here. Caucasians in fact were native to Northern Africa. Like someone said she could have looked like Carla Hall to Beyonce to Rashida Jones. Y’all see the ignorance and hypocrisies.? ethnic - definizione, significato, pronuncia audio, sinonimi e più ancora. Cleopatra's ethnicity is African American, whose political affiliation is unknown; and religious views are listed as unknown. So until the time of Cleopatra’s great-grandfather, the ethnic makeup of the dynasty was still pure Macedonian Greek. Then later, they intermarried with the Persian-Greek Pontic kings strengthening the Persian blood. “ask any copt (modern descendents of egyptians) if they are black and you will get your butt kicked.”. Boo hoo to your spray tan #RealHistory #SlavicHistoryNow. Oxford University Press is a department of the University of Oxford. This phrase is a little misleading: these sources are modern scholars, not ancient text. YES IT MATTERS WHAT RACE SHE WAS. He can hide the truth, but he cannot erase it. Study Balkans before you talk about this because u sound like somebody who don’t know what u talking about . Bennett, Christopher J. I always am a bit suspicious when someone says, does knowing the racial ethicity of character in history matters. Lauren said: Controversy over Cleopatra's true race–but does it matter? CLEOPATRA was a beautiful BLACK woman. Cleopatra was a brilliant and amazing woman. It’s kind of hard to get away from black blood in Africa. White people can turn anywhere and find a role model. And the race IS very much important because white people have been portrayed as victors and dominant. Greeks seem to proclaim everything belongs to them. What a hero. Even if it goes against what we have believed in years. So people, next time do not forget the history of North-Africa because until today Cleopatra’s history and legacy still stand there. legitimate daughter using the argument that the Romans never questioned Kleopatra’s legitimacy. Also, the Egyptians did not depict themselves as white as we see it today so having a modern white actress play an ancient Egyptian is not accurate in the least the proof is on the walls. but I think that it does matter in the larger world outside of you.”. "[73] Stacy Schiff concurs Cleopatra was not dark-skinned, that "the Ptolemies were in fact Macedonian Greek, which makes Cleopatra approximately as Egyptian as Elizabeth Taylor", that her Ptolemaic relatives were described as "honey skinned", that she was part Persian, and that "an Egyptian mistress is a rarity among the Ptolemies. Kleopatra Three years later she seduced Julius Caesar, bearing him a son, Caesarion. Im guessing whoever wrote this is white. What is important about Cleopatra is that she became one of the most powerful rulers of her era. I’m done with this foolishness. “the representations of her in Greek and Roman art and coins do not show anything other than traditional Mediterranean ethnicity, although artists were perfectly capable of showing other ethnic groups” So if a Caucasian say it is so then let it be that and when all else fail they fall on “why does race matter.” If any one would to see another view on this matter check out this website http://www.lisapoyakama.org. That is a term given to african americans due to loss of history and culture. We don’t remember people because of their skin colours but because of their achievements. I also wanted to say to the person that said I’ve never had to face prejudice for being white – bull. The President can excuse and absolve himself but his advisors cannot – they committed crimes against the West that are only now, seen for what they are. [47][48], Aside from Hellenistic art, native Egyptian artworks of Cleopatra include the Bust of Cleopatra in the Royal Ontario Museum,[54] as well as stone-carved reliefs of the Temple of Hathor in the Dendera Temple complex in Egypt depicting Cleopatra and Caesarion as ruling pharaohs providing offerings to Egyptian deities. Is that what you idiots got out of this essay. I think the fact that Caucasian-American producers cast white faces in foreign movies is a slap in everybody face. It rests on an earlier marriage (whose existence is also disputed) between a Ptolemaic princess (whose mother is unknown) and a High Priest of Ptah. Confusing Paeonia for Macedonia and mistaking ex-Yugoslavs for Macedonians intentionally, are anti-Hellenic acts, anti-Western by extension. He wasn’t from Europe, and he wasn’t from Africa – Nazareth is in Israel and is in the location considered the middle-east but is on the continent of Asia. Keep that in mind. But this may not have been the case, so one may need to look elsewhere for the ethnic background of Cleopatra’s mother. What’s shameful is to fabricate true history by trying to claim otherwise. The founder of the Ptolemaic dynasty was one of Alexander the Great’s generals. Cleopatra eventually followed Caesar back to Rome, but returned to Egypt in 44 B.C., following his assassination. It is very disturbing that different sources like Wikipedia and other acadamic researchers who are mostly of white descent are changing the North-African history. It’s true that Afrocentrism is pathetic, but it’s especially pathetic when espoused about Egypt by American blacks… _as if_ their c. 1700–1800 West African ancestors even share a common tie with Ancient Egypt. 5- Balkanian: Greeks are not comfortable with this term. African-Americans are not an homogeneous group of people. Cleopatra Mwansa lives in Haslett, MI; previous cities include Lansing MI and Holt MI. However, peoples from all over the globe have and continue to contribute to the shaping of modern day society, technology and thought. Northen Africa has been a place that was inhabited by Mediterraneans for thousands of years before the Arabs arrived. And, the Ptolomy’s were Greek or Macedonian or Albanian or Balkan – whatever. The Romans would have had a field day trumpeting that. With Cleopatra’s death, Egypt became part of the Roman Empire. And if you’re talking about her likeness on those coins, that ship won’t float either. As for the statues in the Egyptian style, there are none that can be definitely assigned to her as none bear her name and distinctive titles. Color matters in every aspect of life. It could settle once and for all what she looked like and what her ethnic background really was. Viola Davis is a great actress….long live (the true depiction of) the Queen! Hellenizes the same features and thus washes away all traces of the Middle Eastern type. It appears they love stealing the identity of people using false information in the past and in the present. Herodotus recalls him going over to Greek side before the Battle of Platea (479BC) and giving advice, despite the fact he was fighting with the Persians. I’m sorry but the writer here sounds angry about the true possibility that she was brown or black. I’ve have read a lot of post. There are white ppl who live or came from Africa who do not have african blood in them. The most educated post on this article is from Nick the Greek. She contends that it is "misleading to suggest that the unique non-Greek mistress Didyame provides evidence of a common practice.”Lefkowitz (1997, pp. This white washing has got to stop. Civilizations that have been around longer will have a substantial track record. 2- Western European: since, in the West, Greece is considered to be the cradle of Western civilization. Now for all you one drop rule people, you tell me what is her ethnicity? While you ask does it really matter, you’ve laid out your argument with such passion and research that it doesn’t seem that it doesn’t matter to you. Greece!!!! With these statements being said, the point that I’m addressing is that the origin of mankind begin in Africa which is the mother land. It is likely that Herodotus got most of his sources from Athens, who around the mid fifth-century would have wished to paint the Macedonian KING (as opposed to the general people) as Greek in order to maintain a steady supply of pitch and timber from the Macedonian forests, to maintain their navy. Your idea about race not mattering is true. It’s a little complicated, so do follow closely! In 2009, a BBC documentary speculated that Cleopatra might have been part North African. There are three other matters worthy of consideration. And doing so is like trying to separate Trenton from NJ as if the two exist alone. FYROM propagandists are out in full force it seems. Summary: Cleopatra Mwansa's birthday is 01/21/1983 and is 37 years old. An Egyptian Queen by default would be expected to be black or brown. FYRoM contributed nothing towards these things. If I were British I would be proud to remember Queen Elizabeth as apart of me. Egypt was and is a African country. Your email address will not be published. Thames & Hudson. It has become an issue in contemporary politics, and over 2500 years ago the Greek historian Herodotos wrote that ethnicity was regularly turned to political ends. Nobody can say anything these days without people coming out of left field to cry about something, get real. Maybe... | Identity Magazine, https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pinterest.com/amp/shoresofreedom/amazigh/, Magical Thinking and the Narcissism of Small(ish) Differences: Fatal Flaws in the Regressive Left - The Post Millennial, My Issue: Socio Political Spirituality? Our shared humanity with Cleopatra should be our starting point for judging her level of impact. But although the Ptolemaic dynasty was Macedonian originally, we don’t know the identity of Cleo’s mom for sure, so the queen could have […]. 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Cleopatra was the daughter of Pharaoh Ptolemy XII, a member of the Macedonian Greek royal family that ruled Egypt for 275 years Gadot told BBC Arabic: 'First of … PEOPLE LIKE YOU ALLWAYS WANT TO MAKE US LOOK LESS BY YOUR STANDERS. Just another attempt by white scholars doing what they have always done is to assign all the great civilizations to a European invention in an attempt to maintain the myth of white supremacy. you all want to belong somewhere and you are trying to cling into history that is glorious but not yours, just so you can feel good about yourselves. Such could be evidence for an Egyptian ancestry, and could possibly but not necessarily include black African ancestry. Cleopatra’s maternal ancestry, regardless of its ethnic makeup, has some relevance to establishing _ancient_ ideas of what constituted dynastic legitimacy. Funerary masks of that time depict Greeks, not Nubian Egyptians. Alexander himself had wives whom were of brown and black descent. Now, even if she were pure Egyptian, there is a large possibility she would possess a lighter skin tone, as is common in Egyptians. If you look at Greek and Roman art to gain knowledge I think the only knowledge that you would come away with is that it was… Greek and Roman art. I have seen many non-Caucasians being bullied just because of the colour of their skin, but never a Caucasian. Although Cleopatra was the Queen of the Nile and the ruler of Egypt, she was, in fact, the last of a long line of Hellenistic (Greek) rulers from Macedonia. How dare race be an issue in representing a truth as long as whiteness is plastered all over it?! When it comes to Cleopatra or Hannibal, it just doesn’t matter. So until the time of Cleopatra’s great-grandfather, the ethnic makeup of the dynasty was still pure Macedonian Greek. W.W. Tarn thought this to be merely a term of abuse signifying her non-Roman status. Scientists are not capable of verifying whether or not Cleopatra was actually Egyptian  or figuring out that the Dark Ages weren’t actually that dark. It is the father of this High Priest who is the most likely subject of the statue found in Algeria. Her nose could very well be like that of one of the hostesses on ABC’s The Chew, Carla Hall. finally exactly as the Africans have claimed and once again it is prooven that Cleopatra’s mother was a black African! If you want to know what the ancient Egyptians thought of their skin tone, just look at how ancient Egyptians represented themselves. A little untrue isn’t it? People got mad because miles a black kid was spider man which shouldn’t matter. Cleopatra was black! In the entire 300-year old Ptolemaic dynasty, Cleopatra was the only Pharaoh who could speak Egyptian. The original Egyptians were pushed into the Sudan. As far as I know there is no evidence whatsoever for Cleopatra’s skin color. These POC owned WHITE SLAVES. THINK!!!! Can the female population not derive inspiration from this woman whether she was Black African, Greek Macedonian or mixed ethnicity? [19] Roman frescoes in Pompeii and Herculaneum similar to the Vatican and Berlin marble sculptures have been identified as possible portraits of the queen based on comparable facial features and royal iconography. Afer, I would be curious what the evidence is for this. Although “Macedonians with Hellenistic identity” doesn’t really have such a nice ring to it. 2004. sfnp error: no target: CITEREFLefkowitz2011 (. But sadly, even in twenty-first century America, this is far from the case. A dead enslaved person is pictured on the floor in the foreground, and a weeping servant is in the background to the right. She notes that among Ptolemy II’s many mistresses, Didyame was specifically signaled out because she was Egyptian, and not of the usual Greek stock among Ptolemaic mistresses (who included among Ptolemy II's mistresses, the courtesans Bilistiche, Agathocleia, Stratonice of Libya, and Myrto—whose coloring and ethnicity were not specifically pointed out like Didyame, “presumably because they were Greek”). Maybe they are afraid (I should say still afraid) of what we’re actually capable of? But before everyone goes wringing their hands on skin color, let’s keep in mind, she cheated and had kids with Ceaser, plotted to kill her sister, and Egypt ceased to exist after her death. But exactly the same theory has been proposed for her father’s mother — to explain why his legitimacy _was_ attacked by Roman sources, even though he was accepted as king in Egypt. The ambiguity surrounding Cleopatra’s racial background has led many to classify her as Mediterranean because it is a larger identity that groups the queen’s Macedonian Greek origins, her North African culture and influences, as well as Gadot’s Israeli … She can be POC all she wants she still had slaves. I believe I know the answer. No one wants to admit in Africa of all places, that Cleopatra had any black African blood. CLEOPATRA'S palace Enter DEMETRIUS and PHILO PHILO. For the first six generations the wives of the ruling Ptolemies also came from the same Macedonian background as their husbands. Check Full Background Profile to see if Cleopatra has lawsuits, liens, evictions or bankruptcies. If race didn’t mean anything then why does people of color get there history wiped over and there accomplishments overshadowed by white people and they get all the credit and I’m not jealous but it seems that when something great happened we were depicted as village roomers! The Vatican head, though missing its nose, is strikingly realistic and probably as close as we’ll ever get to the real Kleopatra. Any real historian, or scholar of any sort, is interested in knowing about the subjects of his or her discipline in entirety, not just what they accomplished. [3] For example, the article "Was Cleopatra Black?" @Rudy Garcia, sorry but you have the “logic” of a 10 year-old “student”. It is in discovering her bones that archaeologist, such as Neil Oliver can gives us an insight into the real Ptolemy destiny. And they did dna on king tut and his father and grandfather and findings say they all have European dna. Prove “There is no room for anything else, certainly not for any black African blood.” I want you to go back in time, before the white man white-washed everything. [50], In his Kleopatra und die Caesaren (2006), Bernard Andreae [de] contends that this Egyptian basalt statue is like other idealized Egyptian portraits of the queen, and does not contain realistic facial features and hence adds little to the knowledge of Cleopatra's appearance. using cover-all terminology based on modern-day bias and subjective statements out of context does not help demonstrate your beliefs or answer the issue. Egypt was eventually ruled by the Hitites, which were African Americans. Rogerscalled "World's Great Men of Color." Ah, the neverending discussion about race.. What they do have is bits and pieces of what they stole from other races and repackaged as their own. The question of “whether race matters or not” and that of “remembering an individual for her achievements rather than her race” are two different things and don’t really have anything to do with each other. Especially when the Europeans have gone out of their way to rewrite history to suit their own agenda and esthetic taste. If any of you are familiar with the story of Cleopatra becoming queen of Egypt you would know that she had to fight her sister Arsinoe to be restore to her throne. The city of “Alexandria” was built as the place of rule, to take power away from Memphis!! The point was being made that cleopatra likely did not have black African blood. Shomarka Keita: "The Geographical Origins and Population Relationships of Early Ancient Egyptians", "Ptolemaic Dynasty Affiliates". A Cleopatra movie with Gal Gadot, the Israeli actress who played Wonder Woman, is causing controversy because of the Egyptian queen's ethnicity. was published in Ebony magazine in 2012,[4] and an article about Afrocentrism from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch mentions the question, too. As in, of actual Black African race. I think the reason this is so contested is because much of the history that we have been taught is false. Since acting ability is all that should matter than I would like to see a woman of color, “black” indian or asian play queen Elizabeth or Liz Taylor in a movie. Ramses e1b1a. Heck, this article doesn’t even make sense by its own limited argument. The phenotype of ethnic groups is greatly related to adaptive mutation to their region of the world and more likely to occur there. Dr. Bennett also points out the confusing nature of the material, and reminded me of another theory, that Cleopatra’s mother was actually the wife of her father, which probably would reduce non-Macedonian ancestry even more. Macedonians contributed greatly to the development of Western Culture, Western Civilization and Western Civil Societies common understandings of shared common heritage. Racial discrimination is still a problem in this day and age. It is tiresome and irrelevant. While Cleopatra was born in Egypt, she traced her family origins to Macedonian Greece and Ptolemy I Soter, one of Alexander the Greats generals. ", "The skeleton of Cleopatra's sister? Let’s get out the bug spray kids and let Cleo be whoever – I’m partial to Salma Hayek – how bout you? The best evidence is that she was three-quarters Macedonian Greek and one-quarter Egyptian. Of course for white America, it doesn’t matter because they live in a country where they control the “European” educational system; dehumanizing those different from them. Cleopatra now owned lush groves of balsam trees, which once had belonged to Herod. Moses Such concerns have recently come to the forefront, Tweets that mention OUPblog » Blog Archive » Cleopatra’s True Racial Background (and Does it Really Matter?) The LIES to support white/TAMAHU have been going on for years. Cleopatra Coleman is an Australian actress. Her culture was just as much Egyptian as it was Macedonian or Greek. So Cleopatra’s mother may have been Egyptian, but she probably also had some Macedonian background. Please stop it, this stuff shouldn’t matter because history is pointless when you’re trying to pay your bills and take care of your family. which justifies my comments here despite the fact that I’m not a professional academic. Most of all though, It’s disturbing; this cultural whitewashing (the irony, it burns) by American Afrocentric revisionists is especially pernicious since many of these revisionists are out‐and‐out racists with actual sway in academia. Throughout the world, in ever age, it is a human instinct, especially in scenes of some majesty or beauty, heroism to create art that you can identify with, if you look at an image of the Madonna throughout different cultures, be it Egyptian Coptic art, Greek Orthodox, the Renaissance movement or an African-American church, the main figure they want to convey usually is representative of their own culture. The Ancient Greeks had a very good understanding of who were Greek and who were not- there was never a grey area for them. What about this: Metro Golden Meyer presents an epic film displaying an historical accomplishment of struggles for freedom in the sixties by Dr. Martin Luther King played by Tom Cruise. Simple….Macedonians are one kind, Greeks are another they do not co exist. It was only Albania. She has been chosen to play Cleopatra in the Hollywood epic. This notably included the first Cleopatra, Queen Cleopatra I Syra, wife of Ptolemy V Epiphanes. Mary Beard wrote a dissenting essay criticizing the findings, pointing out that one, there is no surviving name on the tomb and that the claim the tomb is alleged to invoke the shape of the Pharos Lighthouse "doesn't add up"; second, the skull doesn't survive intact and the age of the skeleton is too young to be that of Arsinoe's (the bones said to be that of a 15–18-year-old child, with Arsinoe being around her mid twenties at her death); and thirdly, since Cleopatra and Arsinoe were not known to have the same mother, "the ethnic argument goes largely out of the window. Civilization is a manifestation of genetics. Utterly unsurprising to see so many dogmatic afrocentrists, i.e., historical revisionists, in the peanut gallery. The race of Cleopatra VII, the last active Hellenistic ruler of the Macedonian Greek Ptolemaic dynasty of Egypt, has caused some debate in scholarly and non-scholarly circles. Names, Identity, History, Heritage, Legacy – These things are important to Greeks…worth keeping, worth preserving and worth protecting. Perform background checks on anyone, anytime Wouldn’t it be better to admire an average person who did extraordinary things? Another justification is that she looks almost exactly like her father implying stronger genes or pure inbreeding though her parents were probably double cousins and double relatives. It’s disgusting to perpetuate the age old tradition of stripping historical figures of these aspects of their identity. Well, they wouldn’t have given the fact that Rome, in the person of Julius Caesar, had placed her firmly on Egypt’s throne following Saying that determining the ethnicity of Cleopatra diminishes her reputation as a great monarch is just immature and doesn’t make any sense. Instead, he continues, Cleopatra "wore the headband and robes of a Greek monarch. Her ancestor Ptolemy I, a companion of Alexander the Great, founded the dynasty in the late fourth century BC. Darn, and all this time Inthought she was Egyptian ! In fact two of her ancestors married their sisters, thus reinforcing the Macedonian ethnicity. Actually, if I was going to cast for Cleopatra, I would go with this description of the type for a casting call: a chubby/curvy woman 20’s or young 30’s with a large Greek or Lebanese type nose, black kinky-curly hair and brown skin. [7] She also notes that if Cleopatra's paternal grandmother was Egyptian and that is how she learned Egyptian, it would be more likely for Cleopatra's father Ptolemy XII to be the first Ptolemy to learn Egyptian instead of Cleopatra (noting those like Rogers and Clarke never mention him),[32] who is the only member of the Ptolemaic dynasty known to have learned Egyptian in addition to her native tongue Koine Greek and eight other languages. 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